Local Compute
20 statements · 2023–2023
Idle home GPUs — PlayStations, Xboxes, Macs — are wasted compute
Interview with Greg Osuri of Akash Network (Web3 Working Group)
“If you go beyond data centers, just look at the compute that we have unused in our homes. I have a PlayStation and Xbox right behind me that’s just sitting there — I probably use it once or twice a year — but just sitting there with powerful GPUs. And the computers, your Macs have M1 chips, which are very powerful GPUs that are not used… there’s a lot of underutilized resources that are spread globally that is using enormous amounts of energy that needs to be fixed.” — Greg Osuri, 00:30:58
Context: Extending the underutilization argument from data centers to consumer devices — home hardware as future cloud supply.
Home miners will absolutely have a place on Akash soon
Most Successful Crypto Miner Failure, Akash Super Mini - Greg Osuri Interview CEO of Overclock Labs (Action Crypto)
“So we have a ton of GPUs that just are waiting and sitting… [Will there be room for the average home miner in the near future?] Absolutely. So now our entire focus is demand, not supply… Supply is enormous, and crypto is really good at getting supply, and we can turn [on] spigots very soon.” — Greg Osuri, 00:42:18
Context: Follow-up to the cancelled Supermini home-mining device; he says low-power consumer hardware is deferred until existing underutilized high-end compute is consumed, but individual suppliers return once demand is solved.
Idle home devices — consoles and M1 Macs — are untapped compute
Greg Osuri: Web2 underutilizes compute resources & protocols like #Akash correct these. #shorts (Web3 Working Group)
“Just look at the compute that we have unused in our homes. I have a PlayStation and Xbox right behind me that’s just sitting there — I probably use it once or twice a year — but just sitting there with powerful GPUs. And the computers — your Macs have M1 chips, which are very powerful GPUs, that are not used in the night… but you’re paying cooling for it. So there’s a lot of underutilized resources that are spread globally that is using enormous amounts of energy that needs to be fixed.” — Greg Osuri, 00:00:00
Context: His signature local/home-compute supply argument, extended from data centers to consumer devices.
Mobile/edge compute (robots, self-driving) requires massive compute distribution
AI SUPERCLOUD with Greg Osuri of Akash Network (The Interop)
“When you have a future where you have computers [that] essentially are mobile — you can think about a robot or a self-driving vehicle — the compute is at the edge, and in order for edge compute to function you need to solve the communication cost problem… the only way to achieve that is the massive distribution of compute all across, with the incentive model for these providers.” — Greg Osuri, 01:10:12
Context: Continuation of the post-parity vision; he calls the result “innovation beyond imagination” at 01:10:55. Caption reads “self-prime vehicle” (auto-caption artifact).
Supermini: a supercomputer for the home
AI SUPERCLOUD with Greg Osuri of Akash Network (The Interop)
“Akash has been working on GPUs for a very long time — if you remember Supermini… Supermini was supposed to be a supercomputer for the home, so you can have your own compute. So we’ve been exploring GPUs for over four years.” — Greg Osuri, 00:54:18
Context: Recalling Akash’s early hardware experiment when asked about the GPU market; direct statement of the own-your-own-compute-at-home theme.
Home supercomputers doing local inference and training
Mission: DeFi EP 98 - Can Akash be a major player in AI with their GPU market? Founder Greg Osuri (Mission: DeFi)
“With GPUs going to come more and more in my home, I think we’re going to see home supercomputers that are going to be local… because they need latency. They’re going to be analyzing, sensing and inference data, and training the data for your home operations in your home — they’re not going to go to the cloud.” — Greg Osuri, 00:39:01
Context: Arguing the world will never use all chips all the time — idle capacity from data centers down to gaming machines (“I use my Xbox maybe once or twice a year… why is that GPU not connected?”) is the future supply base. Quote continues into the [00:39:45] block.
Neighbors trading GPU time — battery packs for compute
Mission: DeFi EP 98 - Can Akash be a major player in AI with their GPU market? Founder Greg Osuri (Mission: DeFi)
“Consider a scenario where you have a supercomputer in your house and your neighbor has one and you need more power — you don’t want to go to the cloud, you can go ask your neighbor and use Akash to trade… It becomes like battery packs for GPUs at some point: just use it when you have, or sell it back to the grid… or get back from the grid when you need it.” — Greg Osuri, 00:39:45
Context: Extending the home-supercomputer scenario into an electricity-grid analogy for peer-to-peer compute sharing — an early statement of his recurring compute-as-grid thesis.
Supermini: the home GPU box for training AI
The GPU crisis that AI needs solved now. W/ Greg Osuri, CEO Overclock Labs Akash Network (Parks and Decentralization)
“It was not a miner, it was a GPU — a very incredible machine with GPUs to train AI… we thought the way to achieve this is to actually make a device. Unfortunately COVID hit and we were unable to do anything hardware… so we essentially scrapped the project.” — Greg Osuri, 00:20:51
Context: History of the 2019 “Supermini” consumer GPU device intended to push GPU homogeneity for AI; the pivot was to software and GPU enablement on the network instead.
The 2018 supercloud thesis: AI needs a decentralized supercloud
The GPU crisis that AI needs solved now. W/ Greg Osuri, CEO Overclock Labs Akash Network (Parks and Decentralization)
“In 2018 we wrote a paper called Akash Network, the decentralized supercloud… a key ideology in that is AI machine learning is getting expensive, cloud is getting very very expensive… and we did deep thesis on why AI needs a supercloud, and then we started working on enabling GPUs.” — Greg Osuri, 00:19:26
Context: Traces the supercloud idea to Cornell research (~2015): heterogeneous devices across providers presented as one homogeneous cloud, plus a marketplace to acquire resources.
Anyone's GPU can join the marketplace
RNDR, Supercloud, 1.5T AI Market Cap – Interview with Greg Osuri about Akash (Design DAO)
“Anyone with the GPU can provide compute [on] Akash, but chances of your GPU getting selected depends on the application… please, if you have an extra A100 lying around, please put that on Akash.” — Greg Osuri, 00:40:22
Context: Answering a question about his “GPU stardust” tweets — aggregating individually-owned GPUs; demand currently concentrates on high-density Nvidia cards.
Models mature onto consumer gaming GPUs
RNDR, Supercloud, 1.5T AI Market Cap – Interview with Greg Osuri about Akash (Design DAO)
“Most advanced models like GPT-4, 3.5… work well on high-end GPUs, but as they mature, as they get older, they get optimized to work on a distributed set of GPUs like 3090s, 4090s and whatnot — the lower-end GPUs, like gaming machines. So people that prefer these mature models over advanced models can use the lower-end GPUs.” — Greg Osuri, 00:41:49
Context: Early articulation of his thesis that AI workloads migrate down to consumer hardware — frontier fine-tuning needs H100s (minutes vs hours), but mature models run distributed on gaming cards.
Mature models migrate to distributed gaming GPUs
"#3 - Akash Network with Greg Osuri" (Weapons of Mass Adoption)
“Most advanced models like GPT-4… work well on high-end GPUs. But as they mature, as they get older, they get optimized to work on a distributed set of GPUs like 3090s, 4090s, and whatnot, the lower-end GPUs, right? Like gaming machines.” — Greg Osuri, 00:41:37
Context: Answering whether “GPU stardust” — individuals’ single GPUs — can earn on Akash; his thesis that model maturation pushes inference/fine-tuning down to consumer hardware over time.
Every home will have a supercomputer
Building the Super Cloud of GPUs with Akash Founder Greg Osuri | EP #102 (Frictionless Podcast by Logan Jastremski)
“I envision a world where every home will have a supercomputer… no doubt about it. As AI gets more penetration, we’re going to realize there are privacy implications for AI.” — Greg Osuri, 00:43:16
Context: Asked where Akash’s end state lands — regional GPU clusters vs. dispersed GPUs — Greg jumps past both to home supercomputers driven by AI privacy concerns.
Home compute will feed a grid like rooftop solar
Building the Super Cloud of GPUs with Akash Founder Greg Osuri | EP #102 (Frictionless Podcast by Logan Jastremski)
“Why not that compute comes from your home? Just like today you’re able to produce energy from your renewables at your home and contribute back to the grid, why don’t we have a similar mode of compute contribution from your home to the compute grid? That is going to be a reality, and I have no doubt in my mind — if we bet that AI is going to take over our lives.” — Greg Osuri, 00:45:24
Context: His signature energy analogy; preceded by noting “enormous amount of unused compute in your home” (gaming consoles, M2 Macs, phones charging at night).
Sovereignty means having the chip in your house
Building the Super Cloud of GPUs with Akash Founder Greg Osuri | EP #102 (Frictionless Podcast by Logan Jastremski)
“I want to believe in a world that we are going to have sovereignty on the AIs. The only way to get sovereignty is control the chip; the only way to control the chip is to have it in your house… if you have your chips, you’re protected by the laws of your land.” — Greg Osuri, 00:46:50
Context: Warns the alternative is “a feudalistic society where you have the lords that have control over all aspects of our lives.” References his “come and take it” GPU shirt.
Home gaming PCs will train models — "yes, one day, not yet"
How Akash Network is Democratizing Access to Cloud GPUs | Greg Osuri (0xResearch)
“Can your home gaming PC be used for training? Yes, one day — not yet… We’re seeing gaming PCs actually getting a lot more used, and the rate at which they’re getting used is on uptrend. So that indicates that yes, in a not very distant future these gaming PCs will be a lot more usable.” — Greg Osuri, 00:18:07
Context: Notes Llama/Llama 2 already run “fairly decently on a 4090” and RTX Ada 6000 gaming cards are increasingly used for ML over A100s/H100s (cheaper, more on-chip memory); second half of quote at 00:19:32. Cites an NYU-based team building heterogeneous training (mixing 4090s and H100s) on Akash (00:18:07).
Idle PlayStations, Xboxes, and desktops are the untapped compute layer
How Akash Network is Democratizing Access to Cloud GPUs | Greg Osuri (0xResearch)
“If you think about the global distribution of compute power, it’s everywhere. The best compute power is hyper-underutilized: gaming consoles — like my PlayStation and Xbox, I use them once a year during Christmas and most of the time I’m not using them, and they have very powerful GPUs sitting idle — to my desktops, to desktops at professional work environments, to data centers.” — Greg Osuri, 00:13:08
Context: Asked whether consumer devices can supply meaningful compute; he maps the pyramid from consoles up to data centers.
Akash can go to a PlayStation, a refrigerator — anywhere a GPU exists
1on1 Greg Osuri - Akash (Jerry V Hall)
“There’s a whole movement right now happening with, instead of going to the GPU, bringing the GPU to you… a decentralized network can go places where a centralized cannot… Akash can go to a PlayStation, Akash can go to a refrigerator, Akash can go to anywhere a GPU exists and essentially bring that GPU to you using GPU-over-IP techniques.” — Greg Osuri, 00:24:56
Context: The clearest statement in this interview of his consumer/edge-device compute vision; starts with data-center GPUs where demand is, then expands outward.
Bring the compute to the data — Teslas and PlayStations on Akash
How Akash Skynet will unleash an AI future no one is prepared for (Interchain.FM)
“Now we are working on a way where you can leave the data where it is and bring the compute using IP or the internet… aggregate GPU supply or CPU supply… and give a federated GPU device on the device that has data… that’s perfect for scenarios where you have a Tesla or a PlayStation where you do not have full compute capabilities in terms of the device that holds the GPU, but we can extract the GPU and bring the GPU to the data.” — Greg Osuri, 00:46:48
Context: Answering the host’s callback to his two-year-old claim that “people will be able to [mine] Akash with their Tesla”; a POC with an unnamed non-Web3 GPU company was 2–3 months out ([00:47:34]–[00:48:16]).
Go into the home: PlayStations, Xboxes, and Teslas as providers
Akash: Crypto's AI Supercloud W/Greg Osuri ($1 To $1 Million Podcast)
“Ultimate goal is to get beyond the cloud parity, go into the home. There’s so much unused capacity in the home, where you have my PlayStation, my PS2, my Xbox which I use maybe once a year — you’re sitting on this massive compute capacity, GPUs — but Tesla, that’s not running in the night, is sitting and charging… it has an onboard data center, has about 200 GPUs.” — Greg Osuri, 00:59:51
Context: Core local-compute prediction: idle consumer hardware connects to the supercloud once Akash is reliable enough to “go inside a house” (01:01:17).