Cloud Decentralization
136 statements · 2021–2021
Akash as the first open-source cloud
Citizen Cosmos and OmniFlix Network: Conversations with Jack ft. Greg Osuri Akash Network, S1E1 (Citizen Web3)
“That gave way to really building a tool that can leverage Kubernetes and leverage the enormous amount of computing we have to build a second generation, new generation open source cloud — the first open source cloud — and that’s really what Akash is.” — 00:02:07
Context: His founding framing: cloud infrastructure was the one layer open source hadn’t yet captured.
Crypto nodes concentrated on Amazon — Thorchain bounty
Citizen Cosmos and OmniFlix Network: Conversations with Jack ft. Greg Osuri Akash Network, S1E1 (Citizen Web3)
“We got picked up by Thorchain… they were having an effort to decentralize because a lot of their nodes are running on Amazon… I reached out to them: look, we can run Thor nodes pretty well, how about doing a thing — and I gave a bounty… about four thousand dollars worth of RUNE tokens and AKT tokens just for writing a guide.” — 00:12:49
Context: Early instance of his recurring “crypto runs on centralized cloud” argument; he calls it “the first time someone else is paying or incentivizing to put their nodes on Akash” [00:14:12].
IBC removes the last obstacle to replacing centralized cloud
Citizen Cosmos and OmniFlix Network: Conversations with Jack ft. Greg Osuri Akash Network, S1E1 (Citizen Web3)
“You have to use different tokens and different signatures and all kinds of things — so imagine trying to automate a solution that spans across these networks, like impossible, right? IBC is going to solve that in an amazing way… the real power is when you’re going to solve these friction problems for decentralized cloud adoption. Once you solve that, there’s nothing in front of us to actually replace incumbents, like centralized cloud providers, in a unified way.” — 00:22:46
Context: His “interoperable cloud” vision: Akash compute + Filecoin/Arweave/Sia storage + NuCypher KMS + Handshake DNS composed via IBC into a full cloud stack.
Akash as the first open-source cloud
Conversations with Jack ft Greg Osuri - S1E1 - by OmniFlix Network & Citizen Cosmos (OmniFlix Network)
“That gave way to really building a tool that can leverage Kubernetes and leverage the enormous amount of computing we have to build a second, new generation open source cloud — the first open source cloud — and that’s really what Akash is.” — 00:02:06
Context: His founding framing: cloud infrastructure as the layer open source hadn’t yet captured.
Crypto nodes concentrated on Amazon — Thorchain bounty
Conversations with Jack ft Greg Osuri - S1E1 - by OmniFlix Network & Citizen Cosmos (OmniFlix Network)
“They were having an effort to decentralize because a lot of their nodes are running on Amazon, and Thorchain — if you know, the team is an anonymous team — they embrace the decentralized values really well, to the core. And I reached out to them: look, we can run Thor nodes pretty well, how about doing a thing — and I gave a bounty… overall it’s about four thousand dollars worth of RUNE tokens and AKT tokens just for writing a guide.” — 00:13:31
Context: Early version of his recurring “crypto runs on centralized cloud” critique; “the first time someone else is paying or incentivizing to put their nodes on Akash” [00:14:13].
IBC removes the last obstacle to replacing centralized cloud
Conversations with Jack ft Greg Osuri - S1E1 - by OmniFlix Network & Citizen Cosmos (OmniFlix Network)
“You have to use different tokens and different signatures and all kinds of things — so imagine trying to automate a solution that spans across these networks, like impossible, right? IBC is going to solve that in an amazing way… the real power is when you’re going to solve these friction problems for decentralized cloud adoption. Once you solve that, there’s nothing in front of us to actually replace incumbent, like centralized cloud providers, in a unified way.” — 00:22:39
Context: The “interoperable cloud” vision: Akash compute + Filecoin/Arweave/Sia storage + NuCypher KMS + Handshake DNS composed via IBC; quote spans into the [00:23:21] block.
85-95% of compute is not being used
Akash Network, Cloud Computing on Blockchain (MikoBits Blockchain, NFT and DeFi Show)
“We began the company as an edge computing platform… that’s when we discovered this is a massive opportunity of unused compute. When we were actually deploying this platform we noticed 85% or so of the compute is not being used — that’s our conservative estimate. Some of our estimates are actually like 95% of the compute is not being used.” — 00:34:59
Context: Origin story from 2015; the underutilization statistic is the foundational thesis behind Akash’s supply model.
Akash is 2-3x, sometimes 10x, cheaper than the big clouds
Akash Network, Cloud Computing on Blockchain (MikoBits Blockchain, NFT and DeFi Show)
“Any big value is cost. I mean, costs anywhere from two to three x lower than the Amazons and Google to Microsoft, in some cases even ten times lower. So that’s incredible value proposition.” — 00:01:27
Context: Opening description of Akash, alongside “what takes normally tens of hours on the cloud takes minutes” and censorship resistance “becoming more and more important considering what’s happening today” (Jan 2021).
An interoperable decentralized cloud with better UX than today's cloud
Akash Network, Cloud Computing on Blockchain (MikoBits Blockchain, NFT and DeFi Show)
“…interoperable world, where the user experience is going to be much better than what you’ll experience on the cloud today, and we are working with NuCypher and Filecoin to make this happen.” — 00:39:14
Context: Predicting SDL will orchestrate Graph, Handshake, NuCypher, Filecoin, Sia, and Arweave together, payable in any protocol’s token (“I think we’re going to see a very interoperable world” begins in the prior caption block).
The fastest growing cloud in the world during testnet
Akash Network, Cloud Computing on Blockchain (MikoBits Blockchain, NFT and DeFi Show)
“During the testnet phase we were the fastest growing cloud in the world, with 3,800 deployments, about 480 active developers. To give you a context, Polkadot has about 420 monthly active developers.” — 00:02:12
Context: State-of-the-network answer before Mainnet 2 (platform launch dated Feb 14-15, 2021 in the conversation).
Akash's mission: society controls the system
The Unstoppable Live Stream w/ Greg Osuri and Brian Fox (Akash Network)
“The mission of Akash is to develop a modern, high performance, sovereign open cloud… where the system is not controlling the society but the other way — the society is controlling the system. It’s the first attempt of creating an open source cloud.” — 00:09:11
Context: Framing computing as “the fabric of human society” put at risk by a closed oligopoly; the crypto token is the sustainability mechanism open source lacked.
Banned communities will redeploy on Akash
The Unstoppable Live Stream w/ Greg Osuri and Brian Fox (Akash Network)
“My most satisfying moment will be like when something gets shut down on Discord, someone should put up a Matrix or a Rocket Chat on Akash; something gets shut down on Reddit, someone should boot up a Discourse forum on Akash; a website gets taken down, someone should go start a blog on Akash… liberty is foundational for a free society.” — 00:19:55
Context: Days after the WallStreetBets censorship episode, which both he and Fox reference; asked what he’d most like to see deployed on Akash.
Decentralized software will beat centralized UX
The Unstoppable Live Stream w/ Greg Osuri and Brian Fox (Akash Network)
“I think decentralized software will be far better, far superior in experience to centralized software, just because the overhead they need is so minimal — and we’re just starting to scratch the surface.” — 00:31:19
Context: Comparing two-command Akash deploys against AWS signup/verification friction, and Uniswap swaps against centralized-exchange withdrawals; concedes token on-ramps remain the unsolved problem.
The cloud is closed: four companies control 81%
The Unstoppable Live Stream w/ Greg Osuri and Brian Fox (Akash Network)
“That cloud is increasingly becoming more closed, with 81 percent or so market share controlled by four companies.” — 00:07:46
Context: Answering what inspired him to build Akash; he likens cloud oligopoly to what Microsoft/Apple did to open software.
Cloud needs its Linux 1991 moment
The cloud, open source and flash loans with Greg Osuri (Citizen Web3)
“I mean, we had operating systems that were closed before 1991… 1991 came about with the introduction of Linux, the first free and open operating system that fundamentally changed the fabric of software.” — 00:04:57
Context: His analogy that a closed cloud is like closed operating systems pre-Linux; decentralized cloud is the open successor, with benefits “we haven’t discovered” yet.
Everybody pays the Amazon tax
The cloud, open source and flash loans with Greg Osuri (Citizen Web3)
“So you are paying for the cloud without knowing you’re paying for the cloud. There is this infamous term called the Amazon tax. Everybody pays an Amazon tax, but you just don’t realize it. So it’s a very integral part. It’s a core fabric that runs the internet and it’s closed.” — 00:04:15
Context: Answering why anyone needs a decentralized cloud; cloud framed as the operating system of modern applications.
Oligopolies stifle innovation — and cloud is becoming one
The cloud, open source and flash loans with Greg Osuri (Citizen Web3)
“The structural issues with oligopolies are oligopolies tend to stifle innovation… It’s not like people stop flying. It’s just people stop innovating in flight. It’s not like people stop making phone calls, it’s just people stop innovating in telecom… And cloud is becoming one.” — 00:06:31
Context: Airlines/telco analogy for what happens when moats concentrate; ties into his claim that open-source companies can no longer get funded because Amazon white-labels their software.
The "Amazon is a safe bet" ideology is cracking
The cloud, open source and flash loans with Greg Osuri (Citizen Web3)
“Yes, this whole like Amazon is a safe bet ideology is actually cracking because the bigger something gets, the more inefficient it becomes. That’s just a natural law.” — 00:18:37
Context: Citing Amazon outages that took down Binance, FTX, and BitMEX in the prior month; ~4,000 invisible cloud providers exist with no marketplace to reach customers.
World's first peer-to-peer cloud marketplace
The cloud, open source and flash loans with Greg Osuri (Citizen Web3)
“So in just the simplest terms, Akash is, I would claim, the world’s first peer-to-peer marketplace for cloud computing… So in a sense, Akash is our first free market-driven cloud.” — 00:00:41
Context: Opening definition of Akash; “free market-driven” meaning buyers and sellers set prices instead of the big three cloud companies.
2–3x price advantage from market-driven pricing
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“2x to 3x, in some cases much higher, price advantage compared to the current market.” — 00:04:14
Context: Because Akash uses a market-driven reverse-auction model where “the user sets the price instead of the companies” (00:03:31).
Adoption will climb a credibility ladder, starting with DeFi front-ends
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“Getting to trust a platform is climbing the credibility ladder. As we prove ourselves that this is a viable alternative, we’re going to see a lot more workloads. I think right off the bat we’re going to see a ton of decentralized finance front-ends using Akash… a lot of developer tooling… a lot of block explorers and ecosystem tooling.” — 00:35:17
Context: Asked about expected customer segments; he also predicts heavy Cosmos sentry-node usage and says start with non-mission-critical workloads like CI servers.
Akash as the gateway for decentralized cloud
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“It positions Akash as the gateway for decentralized cloud… if you want storage — Akash doesn’t do storage, Akash does compute — long-term storage on Filecoin or Sia coin or Arweave can be used via IBC.” — 00:09:56
Context: Vision of composable web3 infrastructure where compute, storage, and DNS interoperate across chains.
Breaking the four-company cloud oligopoly
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“The cloud, which is the foundational fabric of modern society… is increasingly becoming centralized, controlled by four companies. Number one thing Akash addresses is breaking this oligopoly and giving cloud back to the people.” — 00:02:48
Context: Answer to “what need does Akash’s decentralized cloud marketplace address”; his foundational recurring thesis. (Captions render “cloud” as “clout.”)
Holy grail: managed services and a serverless supercloud
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“The holy grail eventually is to support managed services, and we’re working towards it… we want to do so in an open source and in a permissionless manner like what we do with Akash… it’ll be great to actually have your database managed by an expert versus self-managing your database.” — 00:37:23
Context: He completes the thought as “the whole holy vision for a serverless supercloud that is fully open source and fully decentralized” (00:38:06) — an early on-record use of the supercloud framing.
The cloud's promise is a false premise — outages prove it
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“Cloud gives you this false premise that, hey, it’s ultimately scalable — put all your eggs in one basket and we’ll take care of everything. And what happened today, this morning: Binance went down, FTX went down, because they all trusted Amazon is the panacea… it’s just false. These things keep going down over and over and again.” — 00:04:57
Context: A major AWS outage that morning had disrupted crypto exchanges; he positions Akash as a disaster-recovery/failover site since “you can’t keep your eggs in one single basket.”
85% of the world's compute capacity sits underutilized
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Alessio Treglia, Jack Zampolin, Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“As we started deploying we discovered there’s a huge problem that happened to be underutilization of compute… around 85 percent of the compute capacity out there is underutilized.” — 00:09:15
Context: Greg’s origin story: companies provision data centers for peak load (Intuit tax season, Walmart holidays), leaving massive idle capacity — the supply side of Akash’s marketplace thesis. He also cites ~8.2 million data centers that could leverage Overclock’s software.
Akash can eventually scale to compete with AWS and Google Cloud
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Alessio Treglia, Jack Zampolin, Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“What you planned to build is something that can eventually scale to compete with AWS and Google Cloud and all of these really major cloud providers, and the only way to do that is to build a free market because these companies have figured out how to suppress competition.” — 00:22:45
Context: Framing the Equinix deal as validation (“hundreds of billions of dollars in infrastructure spend behind it”). Speaker: Jack Zampolin, not Greg.
Akash testnet developer engagement rivaled Polkadot's mainnet
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Alessio Treglia, Jack Zampolin, Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“Polkadot currently has about 420 monthly active developers, we had about 480, and Ethereum mainnet has about 2,500 monthly active developers, so that gives you a perspective as to the engagement that we were able to attract.” — 00:19:14
Context: Greg recapping Akashian Challenge Phase 3 results (~480 active developers, ~90 unique applications deployed ~3,800 times).
Cloud providers are middlemen exploiting demand without solving supply
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Alessio Treglia, Jack Zampolin, Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“We have this increased demand for the cloud which currently is about 370 billion dollars and you have this increased supply that’s not used, and you have this middlemen called cloud providers that they take advantage of the increased demand but not really solving the supply problems.” — 00:10:40
Context: Core recurring Akash argument — the founding inefficiency thesis that led to an open, decentralized compute marketplace.
Equinix Metal will bootstrap Akash's compute capacity
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Alessio Treglia, Jack Zampolin, Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“The biggest of course is our integration with Equinix. Equinix Metal is by far the largest interconnected data center network in the world — we’re talking about over 220 data centers in about 25 countries.” — 00:02:52
Context: Company update ahead of Mainnet 2; Greg adds (00:04:16) that “as we scale and as we get adoption we will likely see more and more high quality data centers like Equinix.”
Global compute in the hands of two or three companies is dangerous
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Alessio Treglia, Jack Zampolin, Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“I think we could all agree that there’s a lot of danger in centralization of basically global compute, so it’s in the hands of a couple or three companies now. We know that they’ve colluded with one another before on other things.” — 00:34:04
Context: Listing benefits of deploying on Mainnet 2. Speaker: Adam Bozanich (co-founder/CTO), not Greg.
Mainnet 2 is the first non-custodial, self-sovereign, permissionless cloud
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Alessio Treglia, Jack Zampolin, Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“It’s the first time you’re seeing a non-custodial, self-sovereign and a permissionless cloud that’s fully open source… there’s nothing like this that ever exists out there, and really excited to see the possibilities that we haven’t imagined yet.” — 00:35:33
Context: Greg summing up mainnet 2 benefits — no logins, no email, no personally identifiable information required to deploy.
Oligopolies stop innovating — the cloud is next
Greg Osuri, CEO of Akash Network, Decentralized Cloud | Blockchain Interviews (Crypto Coin Show)
“Oligopolies tend to create products that are misaligned sometimes to the customer base, and they tend to create competitive moats that makes it prohibitive for new players to come and partake in what should be a competitive marketplace… cloud, if you think about it, is the fabric that runs the society.” — 00:02:09
Context: Comparing the big-four cloud to airlines and telecom — industries that “just stopped innovating” after consolidation.
Oligopolies stop innovating — the cloud is next
Greg Osuri, CEO of Akash Network, Decentralized Cloud | Blockchain Interviews (InvestmentPitch Media)
“Oligopolies tend to create products that are misaligned sometimes to the customer base, and they tend to create competitive moats that makes it prohibitive for new players to come and partake in what should be a competitive marketplace… cloud, if you think about it, is the fabric that runs the society.” — 00:02:09
Context: Comparing the big-four cloud to airlines and telecom — industries that “just stopped innovating” after consolidation.
Ownerless web services owned by the world
Greg Osuri, CEO of Akash Network, Decentralized Cloud | Blockchain Interviews (Crypto Coin Show)
“I had this vision of ownerless web services, where people can actually own web services — not a single entity, not a single human being, but the world can actually own a web service that is managed by a DAO and has a threshold signature for deploying and controlling — all that can be realized now with the decentralized cloud.” — 00:12:48
Context: On IBC composability arriving; paired with his promise of a “Uniswap-style deployment experience” with no emails, passwords, or credit cards.
Ownerless web services owned by the world
Greg Osuri, CEO of Akash Network, Decentralized Cloud | Blockchain Interviews (InvestmentPitch Media)
“I had this vision of ownerless web services, where people can actually own web services — not a single entity, not a single human being, but the world can actually own a web service that is managed by a DAO and has a threshold signature for deploying and controlling — all that can be realized now with the decentralized cloud.” — 00:12:48
Context: On IBC composability arriving; paired with his promise of a “Uniswap-style deployment experience” with no emails, passwords, or credit cards.
Akash as Airbnb for compute across 8.2 million data centers
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Sunny Aggarwal, Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“Akash is positioned to have this hyper customizable cloud, and that potentially can be reached, installed in 8.2 million data centers in the world. So the way you want to picture Akash is really: if Akash is Airbnb [for] compute, Amazon is like Hilton.” — 00:22:17
Context: Explaining audited attributes — an unbounded, free-market attribute system versus the “homogeneous” experience of big chains and the bounded customization of centralized clouds.
Akash is the gateway to the decentralized cloud
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Sunny Aggarwal, Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“Akash is the only network that does compute… when you have to deploy something, you got to deploy compute and then you attach all the services to compute… so that puts us in a very amazing position of being this gateway for the decentralized cloud.” — 00:56:25
Context: On integrating with Handshake/ENS (DNS) and Sia/Filecoin/Arweave (storage); he cautions “do not believe the hype is adoption” and predicts a product-market-fit shakeout of decentralized networks “in the next few years” ([00:57:06]).
In 10 years Akash will be fully self-sustaining; 1% of cloud = $3B
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Sunny Aggarwal, Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“In 10 years I would imagine it’s going to be a fully self-sovereign… self-sustaining system, and if you think about the cloud, it’s what, 300 billion dollars, right? So even a reasonable one percent market share is three billion dollars of… economic activity coming into the network.” — 01:12:02
Context: Answering how the network stays secure after 2030 as inflation decays: staking rewards get replaced by take income from network activity (“very hypothetically forward-looking numbers”).
Predicted 2x savings vs. Amazon, saw 8x
The Akash Mainnet 2 Livestream w/ Sunny Aggarwal, Greg Osuri and Adam Bozanich (Akash Network)
“Some of the users have gained or noticed 8x cost savings in comparison to Amazon Fargate… realistically our prediction was like 2x, but seeing 8x was… a really cool thing.” — 00:04:27
Context: First-week Mainnet 2 metrics; he adds savings vary with supply/demand and “I’m pretty sure next week is going to be a double or more” of the 53 active developers.
85% of data-center capacity is underutilized
AKASH NETWORK (AKT) - Decentralized clouds, Staking, Cosmos & more! - Interview with CEO Greg Osuri (Michaël van de Poppe)
“The customers running their own data centers are sitting on humongous underutilized resources — 85% or so of data center capacity that’s deployed is underutilized, and we’re talking about 8.2 million data centers.” — 00:04:24
Context: The founding insight behind Akash, discovered while deploying Kubernetes-based solutions to enterprise customers at Overclock Labs.
Akash is the first open source cloud
AKASH NETWORK (AKT) - Decentralized clouds, Staking, Cosmos & more! - Interview with CEO Greg Osuri (Michaël van de Poppe)
“The only way to do that is to remove the sense of control and centralization, to really go with an open model both for the source code… and provide a platform that’s permissionless, self-sovereign and non-custodial — and that’s what Akash is. Akash is, in a sense, the first open source cloud.” — 00:13:00
Context: Summing up the three problems Akash targets — cost, developer productivity, and censorship (he cites deplatforming risk even for “small misalignment with the company’s policy”).
Goal: cloud power affordable to 10-year-olds within four years
AKASH NETWORK (AKT) - Decentralized clouds, Staking, Cosmos & more! - Interview with CEO Greg Osuri (Michaël van de Poppe)
“I learned how to code when I was 12… and I had to borrow computing. I want to make sure the next generation is not going to find it hard… I want to make it affordable to a degree that 10-year-olds can get cloud power if they want. That’s — in four years I’d like to see that.” — 00:51:42
Context: His answer to the host’s “life goal” question, rooted in growing up on a farm in India without a computer; the quote begins in the [00:50:58] block.
Hyperscalers should offload compute onto Akash
AKASH NETWORK (AKT) - Decentralized clouds, Staking, Cosmos & more! - Interview with CEO Greg Osuri (Michaël van de Poppe)
“You don’t see them as competition, you see them as complement… it’s actually better for these centralized cloud providers — Amazons and Googles and Microsofts — to use Akash to offload compute. In fact… we’ve seen some amazing interest in a lot of the big guys.” — 00:35:54
Context: Akash as “the cloud of clouds” (Akash = Sanskrit for sky, “where the clouds are formed”); Equinix — ~220 data centers in ~25 countries, supplier to the hyperscalers — had just become a provider.
85-95% of data center compute sits unused
Interchain.fm Ep. 15 Akash: Taking on AWS with Decentralized Cloud Computing (Cosmos)
“Around eighty-five percent or so of compute that sits in this data centers remain unused, in some cases even ninety-five percent… the reason for that is planning for peak.” — 00:02:10
Context: The founding observation from Overclock Labs’ Kubernetes deployments that led to the Akash marketplace idea in 2016.
Akash is 8x cheaper than Amazon today
Interchain.fm Ep. 15 Akash: Taking on AWS with Decentralized Cloud Computing (Cosmos)
“Some of the users are getting eight times lower costs than Amazon… a half gigabyte box… cost[s] about 16 [dollars] a month; on Akash it costs about one dollar eighty cents… it’s cheaper, it’s faster, and it’s censorship resistant, and no one can stop you from using Akash.” — 00:08:30
Context: Explaining why blockchain projects (e.g., anonymity-preferring ThorChain) were early adopters — cost plus permissionlessness.
"If it runs on Amazon, it runs on Akash"
"Base Layer Episode 209: Greg Osuri, Founder of Akash Network on Decentralizing Compute" (Base Layer)
“One of the things about Akash is it’s a generic cloud platform. So any machine learning application can run essentially. It’s not like a specialized computing language or anything like that. If it runs on Amazon, it runs on Akash.” — 00:29:56
Context: Distinguishing Akash from special-purpose compute networks; a recurring compatibility claim, followed by the closing “Uniswap-style deployment experience for the cloud” line (00:31:24).
ML companies pay ~20% of their margins to Amazon
"Base Layer Episode 209: Greg Osuri, Founder of Akash Network on Decentralizing Compute" (Base Layer)
“Machine learning companies today — Andreessen Horowitz came out the report recently, which is very fascinating… they said about 20% of their margins are actually paid out to Amazon. And this is a very cutthroat business, right? It’s almost like making these businesses unsustainable to a degree.” — 00:11:46
Context: Part of his “Amazon tax” argument (a16z’s “The New Business of AI” post); the setup quote about the “burgers and fries” lock-in model is in the 00:10:58 block.
The interoperability "holy grail": pay for any decentralized service with any token
"Base Layer Episode 209: Greg Osuri, Founder of Akash Network on Decentralizing Compute" (Base Layer)
“Ideally, in an ideal world, we want a smooth sort of like experience for a developer where you just come, say what you want to do, and the system should handle that. And that’s the holy grail of where we are going with interoperability.” — 00:23:43
Context: Describing composing Akash with NuCypher, Sia/Filecoin, Handshake, Sentinel, Orchid; the follow-on (00:24:27) says IBC will let developers pay with “an Akash token… a handshake token… a graph token.”
Adoption grew 40% week-over-week; only adoption matters
The Unstoppable Livestream: exiledsurfer and Greg Osuri (Akash Network)
“Everything we do contributes to these two numbers, because adoption turns out it’s the only thing that matters. And if you look at adoption, we grew forty percent week [over] week from last week in terms of active deployments.” — 00:04:15
Context: Greg’s daily metrics: active deployments and ease of deploying. He cites “52 active deployments with a little over 4,000 applications in total” (the “52” is likely a caption artifact, possibly “520”).
Four companies control 81% of the cloud
The Unstoppable Livestream: exiledsurfer and Greg Osuri (Akash Network)
“What, four companies control 81 [percent] of the cloud? … if you look at any industry, [oligopolization] is an issue that most people don’t really talk about — like telecom, right? Telcos: 21 companies literally control almost hundred percent.” — 00:26:57
Context: Greg agreeing with exiledsurfer’s critique of oligarchic control of media and finance, extending it to cloud and telecom concentration.
If AWS does what Akash does, we won — open systems always win
The Unstoppable Livestream: exiledsurfer and Greg Osuri (Akash Network)
“If AWS does what Akash does, we won, right? That’s the point. Akash is not a company, it’s a network. It’s a network of network[s] where the owners operate and use the network.” — 00:54:37
Context: Answering “what stops AWS/Azure/GCP from copying Akash?” He backs it with history at 00:55:22: “Open systems historically speaking have always exhibited to have the highest forms of scalability… internet succeeded where AOL failed because it’s a permissionless and open system” — growth is “gradually, then suddenly.”
No-code, one-click resilient deployment is coming very soon
The Unstoppable Livestream: exiledsurfer and Greg Osuri (Akash Network)
“Our goal is to reduce time to deploy from 90 minutes to two minutes… you should be able to pick a recipe, like ‘oh, I want a WordPress with fully redundant storage spread across 10 different data centers,’ click, and this is how much I’m willing to pay. Absolutely, that’s going to happen very soon.” — 00:46:04
Context: Answering whether non-coders will be able to deploy on Akash; Greg frames Akash as a low-level primitive layer that platforms will build no-code experiences on top of.
The May 2021 crash proved decentralization is the future
The Unstoppable Livestream: exiledsurfer and Greg Osuri (Akash Network)
“This week proved that centralized infrastructure failed where decentralized infrastructure didn’t… if anything that has to be proven this week, [it] was a testament to why decentralization is the future.” — 00:14:07
Context: After exiledsurfer described Sovryn staying online during “wrecking ball Wednesday” while Coinbase and Binance went down. Speaker: likely Greg responding, but attribution not fully certain (undiarized captions).
Time-to-deploy will drop from ~90 minutes to two minutes
The Unstoppable Livestream: exiledsurfer and Greg Osuri (Akash Network)
“It takes about 45 minutes to hour and a half to really understand how the system works and how to deploy. I like to see that come down to two minutes. I know it’s a hard target but I think we can do it.” — 00:07:49
Context: Greg on Akash’s biggest product goal: “phenomenal user interfaces,” web and CLI, and a product easier than incumbent cloud.
$300B cloud market heading to $400B; Akash as the only open-source cloud
Почему дорого запускать стартап в централизованных облаках? Интервью с Greg Osuri, CEO Akash Network (S3XYBTC)
“Мы часть рынка, оцененного в 300 миллиардов долларов, который по прогнозам вскоре станет 400 миллиардным рынком. Никто не знает, насколько сильно он вырастет в отдаленном будущем. У нас есть этот гигантский рынок, и мы хотим позиционировать себя как единственное облако с открытым исходным кодом.” (“We are part of a market valued at $300 billion, forecast to soon become a $400 billion market. No one knows how much it will grow in the distant future. We have this giant market, and we want to position ourselves as the only open-source cloud.”)” — 00:25:53
Context: After describing Amazon/Google/Microsoft monetizing open-source projects (Docker cited as a company once valued near $1B that couldn’t monetize); open-source cloud framed as the fix.
8 million data centers vs. a choice of four companies
Почему дорого запускать стартап в централизованных облаках? Интервью с Greg Osuri, CEO Akash Network (S3XYBTC)
“Вы получаете доступ к огромному количеству предложений от примерно 8 миллионов дата-центров в мире. Вы не ограничены выбором из четырех компаний.” (“You get access to a huge number of offers from roughly 8 million data centers in the world. You are not limited to choosing among four companies.”)” — 00:08:19
Context: The “Airbnb for cloud” analogy — choice and exotic configurations (edge placement near cell towers, low-latency transit providers) versus the Hilton-like uniformity of AWS.
No one can take an app off the platform — not even me
Почему дорого запускать стартап в централизованных облаках? Интервью с Greg Osuri, CEO Akash Network (S3XYBTC)
“Akash предоставляет такие гарантии. Никто не может убрать приложение с платформы, даже я.” (“Akash provides such guarantees. No one can remove an application from the platform — not even me.”)” — 00:05:10
Context: Contrasting with Amazon/Microsoft deplatforming projects over ideology (the Parler takedown era); his definition of permissionless.
Startups bleed 20% to Amazon — mostly on GPU bills
Почему дорого запускать стартап в централизованных облаках? Интервью с Greg Osuri, CEO Akash Network (S3XYBTC)
“Сейчас очень дорого запускать и компанию в облаке… Эксперты говорят, что 20% прибыли идет Amazon. Это безумие. Если вы стартап и 20% ваших денег идет в Amazon на оплату счетов за графические адаптеры, я не думаю, что вы долго сможете оплачивать такие счета. Это серьезно вредит стартапам.” (“Right now it’s very expensive to launch a company in the cloud… Experts say 20% goes to Amazon. That’s insane. If you’re a startup and 20% of your money goes to Amazon paying GPU bills, I don’t think you can keep paying those bills for long. It seriously hurts startups.”)” — 00:30:05
Context: The interview’s title thesis — centralized cloud cost as an existential drag on startups, especially AI ones.
Akash as the gateway to the decentralized web
We're live with Greg Osuri from Akash Network (AKT) (Bittrex Global)
“Our vision is to position Akash as a gateway for decentralized cloud… Akash will be positioning as a gateway to the decentralized web, and in order for us to achieve that status we have to solve interoperability.” — 00:43:40
Context: Explaining heavy investment in Cosmos IBC, Osmosis liquidity, Gravity DEX, and an Ethereum bridge as prerequisites for that gateway role.
Every layer of the cloud stack is decentralizing
We're live with Greg Osuri from Akash Network (AKT) (Bittrex Global)
“Every part of the cloud stack is getting decentralized, and we put all of them together into one umbrella called d-cloud, and Akash we’re positioning as the gateway for the d-cloud.” — 00:17:26
Context: Explaining the term “d-cloud” (which he says Akash coined): compute (Akash), storage (Sia/Filecoin), DNS (Handshake), key management (NuCypher).
From 90-minute to one-minute deployments
We're live with Greg Osuri from Akash Network (AKT) (Bittrex Global)
“Today it takes about 90 minutes for someone that has no idea what Akash [is] coming to the website and actually deploying an application… I want to bring that to one minute — click, click, click.” — 00:38:45
Context: His second core KPI (time-to-deploy) alongside active leases; achieving it is what he says product-market fit looks like.
Nobody in d-web has product-market fit yet
We're live with Greg Osuri from Akash Network (AKT) (Bittrex Global)
“D-web or d-cloud is not there yet. We are seeing a lot of amazing signals, but I can’t really tell you that we have achieved product market fit — if anybody says that in d-web, they’re lying… people using your product doesn’t mean you have product market fit.” — 00:40:08
Context: Unusually candid contrarian assessment of the 2021 decentralized-web sector, contrasting it with DeFi and NFTs which he says do have PMF. (Caption garbles “they’re lying” as “they’re like right.”)
Tapping 8.2 million underutilized data centers
We're live with Greg Osuri from Akash Network (AKT) (Bittrex Global)
“The premise of Akash Network is to tap into 8.2 million data centers that remain underutilized — 85% or so capacity in those data centers being underutilized.” — 00:12:34
Context: His foundational supply-side thesis for why a decentralized compute marketplace can exist; recurring figure across 2020-2021 appearances.
No one can take Akash down — including Greg
The Biz Call: 20210428 GregOsuri AkashNetwork (robfrankel)
“It’s open, so it’s unstoppable, it’s permissionless — no one can stop you from using Akash, including myself. I cannot take it down… there’s a big reason of having the sovereignty — having this guarantees business continuity, so we are seeing a lot of companies using Akash as a disaster recovery or a failover kind of thing.” — 00:05:38
Context: Why customers choose Akash beyond 8x cost savings, amid 2021 deplatforming concerns.
The exit strategy is acquiring the trillion-dollar market
The Biz Call: 20210428 GregOsuri AkashNetwork (robfrankel)
“We have like a trillion dollar market right now — the exit strategy is to acquire the trillion dollar market. Eventually, Akash is an open system, so anyone can use it… there is no reason for me to not think that we would [reach] 100 [percent] market penetration.” — 00:09:10
Context: Answer to “what’s the exit strategy or long-term goal?”
Akash is Airbnb, Amazon is Hilton — from Equinix racks to devices in the home
Future of Web 3 and the Battle for Data Sovereignty with Greg Osuri, CEO of Akash Networks (Orchid Labs)
“If Akash is Airbnb, Amazon is Hilton. Akash is a very versatile system, so much so that you can have both very mission critical infrastructure that’s running on Equinix, which is the largest interconnected data center network in the world, to devices that can live in the home, with varying degrees of reliability.” — 00:12:48
Context: His signature marketplace analogy; he goes on to cite 8.2M data centers, sub-10ms cell-tower colocation, underwater data centers, and future “data centers in space.”
Four companies control 81% of a trillion-dollar-by-2025 market — the "Amazon tax"
Future of Web 3 and the Battle for Data Sovereignty with Greg Osuri, CEO of Akash Networks (Orchid Labs)
“Right now about 81 percent of market share is controlled by four companies, and it is about to be a trillion dollar market by 2025. It is a massive market… cloud… is a fabric for today’s society… everyone pays an Amazon tax, an invisible tax.” — 00:09:12
Context: Argument for why matching idle supply with demand is “a dumb problem to correct” — with cost reduction as the natural economic result.
Users see up to 8x cost savings over Amazon
Future of Web 3 and the Battle for Data Sovereignty with Greg Osuri, CEO of Akash Networks (Orchid Labs)
“The results are obviously very beneficial for users. So some users experience anywhere from 8x cost [savings] switching from Amazon to Akash… and more importantly they can do their savings in a fully controlled… way without having any permission whatsoever.” — 00:01:27
Context: Describing the reverse-auction marketplace that “lets the user set the price” — “truly setting a market driven pricing model for the cloud.”
85% of data center capacity is unused; Akash is one-third Amazon's price
Akash Networks (And How Handshake Works Together) (SkyInclude)
“We make a better cloud by tapping into unused capacity, and turns out about 85 or so [percent of] capacity in 8.4 million data centers is unused… we provide a much similar capability but much better user experience at a price point that is one-third… what Amazon would charge… because we tap into servers that are not used, and as we get more supply it’s only going to get cheaper.” — 00:02:07
Context: His recurring supply-side argument against the four companies controlling cloud; quote spans into the [00:02:51] block for the one-third pricing claim.
Centralized platforms are being weaponized; dweb is disaster recovery
Akash Networks (And How Handshake Works Together) (SkyInclude)
“Even the lower-level services such as Amazon Web Services deplatforming Parler… the point is these companies have the power, and that very weakness is being weaponized by state actors… in a case like that you want to have a disaster recovery platform that has much lower chances of failure… if you look at decentralized web, I think it is a lot more crucial than we originally thought, and 2020 proved that to be the case.” — 00:20:32
Context: Prompted by the Fastly outage that morning and deplatforming discussion; he argues protocol changes get more scrutiny so “system-wide failures don’t happen that very often in decentralized networks” [00:19:50].
The holy trinity for an unstoppable web
Akash Networks (And How Handshake Works Together) (SkyInclude)
“You have three protocols that are decentralized… working with each other, interoperating… I call it the holy trinity — Skynet, Akash and Handshake — because that is the big foundation for an unstoppable web.” — 00:05:39
Context: On users organically combining Akash (compute), Sia/Skynet (storage), Handshake (naming) into full decentralized deployments.
Akash costs one-third of centralized cloud
DeFi Summit - Conference Day 1 - June 15th (Tuesday) (Dcentral Con)
“When it comes to Akash, the cost advantage of using Akash versus a centralized cloud is one third… sometimes here is one fourth, like when compared to like Google or whatnot. And the reason for that is because of openness. Open marketplaces generally tend to optimize for the forces of demand supply for pricing versus someone, an individual set the price.” — 06:15:44
Context: Third of his three advantages of decentralized systems (openness, censorship resistance, cost); quantified 3-4x cost claim vs. hyperscalers, attributed to market-based pricing.
Decentralized cloud is the future (and more secure)
DeFi Summit - Conference Day 1 - June 15th (Tuesday) (Dcentral Con)
“We’re fully transparent. We’re fully open. We have public scrutiny on everything we put out there. That makes it a lot, lot more secure than your traditional cloud. And hands down, I think decentralized cloud is the future.” — 06:20:46
Context: Concluding his security answer: Akash enforces resilient architectures (keys spread across five boxes, remote signers) that traditional cloud does not.
Decentralized infrastructure is ready; d-web is here
DeFi Summit - Conference Day 1 - June 15th (Tuesday) (Dcentral Con)
“Decentralized infrastructure is ready. D-web is here. Adoption is growing. And I hope people will now be in a situation that they can take decentralized web more seriously.” — 06:34:27
Context: Closing remarks, right after quoting Rosa Luxemburg — “people that don’t move don’t notice their chains” [06:33:46] — likening centralized infrastructure to unnoticed chains.
DeFi's stack isn't decentralized — "just own it"
DeFi Summit - Conference Day 1 - June 15th (Tuesday) (Dcentral Con)
“Graph is essentially indexing nodes running on servers. Where are these servers running? Amazon, right?… Where is that DNS running? Probably Amazon or probably Cloudflare. Right? You’re not decentralized. You’re not. Just own it.” — 06:26:34
Context: His “cognitive dissonance we have in crypto, especially DeFi, is adorable” riff [06:25:17], walking through Uniswap’s architecture layer by layer (Ethereum contracts aside, the indexer, web UI, and DNS are centralized).
DeFi should run on Handshake, Akash, Sia/Skynet
DeFi Summit - Conference Day 1 - June 15th (Tuesday) (Dcentral Con)
“I’m still bedazzled as to why Uniswap is not on Handshake. Handshake is a truly decentralized DNS network… I’m still bedazzled why Graph is not running nodes on Akash… I’m still bedazzled like why the UI is not running on Sia or Skynet or Akash… unless, I would say, like three fourth of your infrastructure is decentralized, you’re not DeFi.” — 06:27:50
Context: The tools to decentralize the full web stack already exist in 2021; sets a “three-fourths of your infrastructure” bar for calling something DeFi.
Ethereum full node: ~$25k on Infura vs one-third on DeCloud
DeFi Summit - Conference Day 1 - June 15th (Tuesday) (Dcentral Con)
“I believe, to run a full node for an Ethereum node costs about $25,000 on Infura… it costs about $25,000 to run. And decentralized clouds will probably — right now, it’s one third. I mean, so if you like money, you probably will like decentralized cloud.” — 06:30:12
Context: Third point (cost) of why DeFi must move to decentralized cloud; he flags the figure himself with “don’t quote me on this.”
Open finance needs open cloud; regulatory clock is ticking
DeFi Summit - Conference Day 1 - June 15th (Tuesday) (Dcentral Con)
“DeFi needs to be open. Open finance needs open cloud. I’m going to say it again: open finance needs open cloud. Being on Amazon, being on cloud, you’re not decentralized. Prove me wrong. Number two, there’s a huge regulatory risk that you are basically avoiding, and time is not going to be on your side very soon.” — 06:30:45
Context: His summary of the “how can cloud power DeFi” answer — openness, regulatory risk, and cost make decentralized cloud “a no brainer” for DeFi projects.
Platform power will inevitably be abused
DeFi Summit - Conference Day 1 - June 15th (Tuesday) (Dcentral Con)
“I’m not worried about when they use for good, but I’m really worried about when they use for bad. And if you tell me nothing bad happens, I’ll tell you you’re full of shit. So something will happen, something bad will happen. And that’s when — when a centralized platform can censor a sitting US president, that tells you the amount of power these platforms have.” — 06:14:17
Context: Pros/cons question from Mona; Greg’s censorship-resistance argument, adding that state actors are already “weaponizing de-platforming” against organizations they disagree with.
Usability gap will close via abstractions
DeFi Summit - Conference Day 1 - June 15th (Tuesday) (Dcentral Con)
“Will that change tomorrow? Yes, it will, with more abstractions that we build on the decentralized infrastructure, and people are building those abstractions. But as it stands today, it’s hard to use. It’s for advanced usage.” — 06:17:13
Context: Listing the cons of decentralized cloud circa 2021 — deploying on Akash still required knowing “resiliency through redundancy”; he predicts abstraction layers fix this.
Akash as the gateway to the decentralized web
Live AMA featuring Greg Osuri from the Akash Network! (Bittrex Global)
“Our vision is to position Akash as a gateway for decentralized cloud… Akash will be positioning as a gateway to the decentralized web, and in order for us to achieve that status we have to solve interoperability.” — 00:38:23
Context: Justifying heavy investment in Cosmos IBC, Osmosis liquidity, Gravity DEX, and an Ethereum bridge.
Every layer of the cloud stack is decentralizing
Live AMA featuring Greg Osuri from the Akash Network! (Bittrex Global)
“Every part of the cloud stack is getting decentralized, and we put all of them together into one umbrella called d-cloud, and Akash we’re positioning as the gateway for the d-cloud.” — 00:12:11
Context: Explaining the “d-cloud” term Akash coined: compute (Akash), storage (Sia/Filecoin), DNS (Handshake), key management (NuCypher).
From 90-minute to one-minute deployments
Live AMA featuring Greg Osuri from the Akash Network! (Bittrex Global)
“We care about that a lot. I want to bring that to one minute — one minute, click, click, click… automate this entire bootstrapping or booting process from 90 minutes to one minute.” — 00:34:08
Context: His second core KPI (time-to-deploy, then ~90 minutes for a newcomer) alongside active leases; hitting it is what he says product-market fit looks like.
Nobody in d-web has product-market fit yet
Live AMA featuring Greg Osuri from the Akash Network! (Bittrex Global)
“D-web or d-cloud is not there yet. We are seeing a lot of amazing signals but I can’t really tell you that we have achieved product market fit — if anybody says that in d-web, they’re lying… people using your product doesn’t mean you have product market fit.” — 00:34:50
Context: Candid contrarian assessment of the 2021 decentralized-web sector versus DeFi/NFTs, which he says do have PMF. (Auto-caption garbles “lying” as “live right.”)
Tapping 8.2 million underutilized data centers
Live AMA featuring Greg Osuri from the Akash Network! (Bittrex Global)
“The premise of Akash Network is to tap into 8.2 million data centers that remain underutilized — 85 percent… capacity in those data centers have been underutilized.” — 00:07:14
Context: His foundational supply-side thesis for the decentralized compute marketplace; recurring figure across 2020-2021 appearances.
~70% of blockchain nodes run on Amazon — with their keys
Enter Decentralized Cloud & Unstoppable Web with Akash Network & Deeper - DeFi Conference Day 1 (Dcentral Con)
“I see a lot of nodes being deployed on Amazon — I think arguably about 70% of the nodes running are running on Amazon today, and they all have their keys in Amazon itself. If the server on the Amazon gets compromised, you’re screwed… no one is going to save your keys, not Jeff Bezos — in fact, they probably have access to your keys and you don’t even know about it. It’s that bad. Current cloud is so insecure that people don’t talk about it unless something really bad happens.” — 00:12:45
Context: Arguing d-cloud is more secure because Akash enforces “resiliency through redundancy” (keys spread across five providers, remote signers); concludes “hands down, decentralized cloud is the future” ([00:14:11]).
"Centralized is yesterday... the future is decentralized — it's an evolution"
Enter Decentralized Cloud & Unstoppable Web with Akash Network & Deeper - DeFi Conference Day 1 (Dcentral Con)
“For me, I don’t see… centralized is yesterday, and then the future is decentralized. It’s an evolution… that means all the things that we have in terms of efficiency and whatnot will come in decentralized networks itself, and that is just a factor of time.” — 00:05:44
Context: Responding to Eric Ma’s pros/cons of centralization; Greg concedes efficiency but frames every centralized advantage as temporary.
Akash will offer more managed services than Amazon's ~250
AKASH NETWORK - DECENTRALISED CLOUD - DEEP DIVE - WITH THE CEO - 2 OF 2 (Crypto Rich)
“Akash is going to come up with managed services, but we’re going to do that in a decentralized way like we’ve done with compute. It’s a very hard problem to solve… it’s going to take a while, but when that comes — Amazon has about 250 managed services, but Akash will have a lot more than that because of the decentralized permissionless marketplace.” — 00:12:42
Context: Explaining that managed services (where AWS “makes most of the money”) are the long-term roadmap beyond bare-bones container hosting.
Decentralization is the only way to break the cloud oligopoly
AKASH NETWORK - DECENTRALISED CLOUD - DEEP DIVE - WITH THE CEO - 1 OF 2 (Crypto Rich)
“Four companies control 80 percent of the market share and there’s really no way to break this oligopoly except to take a route which those four companies can’t even fathom taking, which is decentralization and open source.” — 00:04:18
Context: Explaining why Akash takes a decentralized approach against AWS, Google, Microsoft, and Alibaba’s combined dominance.
Open infrastructure is the template for the future
AKASH NETWORK - DECENTRALISED CLOUD - DEEP DIVE - WITH THE CEO - 1 OF 2 (Crypto Rich)
“Once you rebuild your traditional infrastructure to be more open, you’re essentially creating the template for the future that a viable open systems is possible, and you don’t have to build on the traditional cloud. I think that’s going to be the biggest paradigm shift for Akash and rest of the world.” — 00:19:10
Context: Describing his favorite demand cohort — innovators rebuilding docker registries, Cosmos validators, and WordPress to run on decentralized rails.
Power should be with the people, not platform gatekeepers
AKASH NETWORK - DECENTRALISED CLOUD - DEEP DIVE - WITH THE CEO - 1 OF 2 (Crypto Rich)
“The problem is that whoever heads the institution has all the power, and I don’t like that. I rather want the power to be with the people. So we built Akash Network to keep the power to the people.” — 00:20:35
Context: Discussing deplatforming (Parler taken down by AWS/Cloudflare) as evidence that centralized clouds can silence groups regardless of politics.
Cloud is becoming a trillion-dollar oligopoly
"Akash Network Deep Dive: The Unstoppable Cloud, Powered by Cosmos!" (Cryptocito)
“You have this cloud basically getting consolidated into four companies — like Amazon, Google, Microsoft and Alibaba — all creating effectively an oligopoly… and that industry is growing at such a rapid pace I believe it’s going to be a trillion-dollar industry very very soon.” — 00:05:44
Context: Origin-story framing of the supply-demand mismatch Akash connects; he later argues oligopolies “don’t innovate — it’s all about value extraction” using airlines and cell carriers as examples (00:19:57), and cites companies paying ~20% of revenues to Amazon (00:21:22).
Decentralization will win on UX, not ideology
"Akash Network Deep Dive: The Unstoppable Cloud, Powered by Cosmos!" (Cryptocito)
“Right now it’s not decentralized fully, but will it be decentralized? Yes. And what is the trigger? It’s not going to be ideology — we know that, people don’t care about values as much as you and I think they should… I think it’ll come down to user experience and collaborative features on top.” — 00:30:41
Context: Prediction about how the full web stack migrates to decentralized infrastructure; he concedes Akash’s frontend hosting UX then lagged Netlify/Vercel.
Everyone pays an invisible Amazon tax
Everyone Pays an Amazon Tax with Greg Osuri, Founder of Akash Network (Orchid Labs)
“When you see how important it is, the kind of role it plays in our daily lives without even realizing — everyone pays an Amazon tax, an invisible tax… I think it’s a dumb problem, to correct supply with demand, and the result is obviously the cost benefit, because what happens when supply meets demand? You’re going to see a cost reduction — that’s just the nature of economics.” — 00:01:26
Context: The clip’s title thesis: cloud oligopoly rent flows through every online service people use.
Solve unused capacity and you don't need AWS
"Akash Network Deep Dive: The Unstoppable Cloud, Powered by Cosmos!" (Cryptocito)
“We’re attacking the problem at the core. The core of the problem which created Amazon Web Services was unused capacity. If we solve that problem, we don’t need Amazon Web Services… it’s not going to be a single day or a single year journey.” — 00:16:22
Context: His thesis that Akash inverts AWS’s own origin story (monetizing Amazon’s idle peak-load capacity); earlier he reports data centers he deployed to ran at ~15% utilization, “85% of the time they’re not used” (00:04:59).
The world is ready for a decentralized Amazon
"Akash Network Deep Dive: The Unstoppable Cloud, Powered by Cosmos!" (Cryptocito)
“We doubled the number of total workloads deployed in Akash in a month… we still have 100 [percent] growth month over month at month five… it’s very clear that the world is ready for a decentralized version of Amazon.” — 00:17:05
Context: Early mainnet growth stats, contrasted with a “great” benchmark of 22% month-two growth.
Trillion-dollar cloud market by 2025, 81% held by four companies
Everyone Pays an Amazon Tax with Greg Osuri, Founder of Akash Network (Orchid Labs)
“Right now about 81 percent of market share is controlled by four companies, and it is about to be a trillion dollar market by 2025. It is a massive market, and if you think about cloud, everything today goes on the cloud — it is a fabric for today’s society.” — 00:00:43
Context: Quantified market forecast paired with his concentration statistic; foundation of the rent-seeking argument.
85-95% of data-center compute sits unused
Akash Network Is The Airbnb Of Cloud (TFiR)
“While the demand is there, we have enormous supply that’s being unlocked in data centers, because turns out 85 to 95 percent of the compute in data centers remain unused… you normally plan for peak and you always want to keep peak capacity.” — 00:00:46
Context: The founding thesis: Akash unlocks locked-up capacity into “the first open source, peer-to-peer, permissionless, self-sovereign cloud” priced by the market instead of institutions.
A mature Akash catalog will out-scale Amazon's 250 services
Akash Network Is The Airbnb Of Cloud (TFiR)
“Amazon right now has about 250 services, but when Akash is fully mature and, you know, decentralized — where anybody can add any service that they want and there’s a way to verify these — I don’t see how we can[‘t] have a much more extensive catalog than any other cloud providers.” — 00:19:55
Context: After describing plans for decentralized managed services (e.g., MySQL run by low-latency providers in-datacenter); the bracketed correction reflects an apparent caption garble. Growth at the time: ~10 new active apps/day, ~150 deploys/day.
Cloud is a public utility that must be taken back from oligopolies
Akash Network Is The Airbnb Of Cloud (TFiR)
“If we look at cloud as a public infrastructure, a public utility, we don’t have anywhere close the level of scrutiny the other public utilities like power or water has… when we recognize cloud is important, it’s important to take back the cloud from oligopolies, for lack of a better word.” — 00:14:13
Context: Citing Cloudflare/Amazon outages caused by unscrutinized misconfigurations; decentralization brings the public oversight a mission-critical utility deserves. Quote spans into 00:14:58. An early energy-utility analogy for compute.
Data gravity is a pricing problem, not a technological one
Akash Network Is The Airbnb Of Cloud (TFiR)
“The data gravity problem is not a technological problem, it is a pricing problem… the root of that problem is the egress costs… they want your data to stay in the cloud.” — 00:08:38
Context: On vendor lock-in; says Akash is designing a bandwidth marketplace with Equinix (its largest provider at the time) to price data transfer equitably (00:09:19).
Deplatforming is being weaponized by state actors
Akash Network Is The Airbnb Of Cloud (TFiR)
“What’s crazy is deplatforming is getting weaponized by state actors against legitimate companies… so people are using Akash as a disaster recovery mechanism.” — 00:22:03
Context: Second user cohort after the Parler takedown era — “the fact that there is a platform that has so much power is disturbing” (00:21:22) — with Akash as the censorship-resistant backup to primary AWS deployments.
Saving money on cloud is a fallacy — repatriation is real
Akash Network Is The Airbnb Of Cloud (TFiR)
“The whole thing about you saving money on a cloud is a fallacy… it’s a trend now, there’s a repatriation of data centers: any high-growth Silicon Valley company like Dropbox or Snapchat, they’re actually moving back to data centers for a reason.” — 00:06:28
Context: Responding to the host’s point that you need to be a mathematician to compute cloud pricing; Akash’s answer is monetizing underutilized capacity with “sovereignty on both your performance as well as your cost.”
Akash workloads doubling every month
Unstoppable Cloud and Building a Decentralized Web with Greg Osuri (The Index Podcast)
“It’s growing really fast, and it’s still doubling every month if you think about it, the amount of workloads, active applications being deployed. And I’m so proud that we actually now have a fully, a good viable alternative to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon that is fully open.” — 00:07:08
Context: Growth snapshot from August 2021 — ~150 active applications, 100–150 new deploys/day, price ~1/3 of AWS (stated at [00:01:33]).
Censorship by the few is censorship on the many
Unstoppable Cloud and Building a Decentralized Web with Greg Osuri (The Index Podcast)
“Censorship by the few is censorship on the many, essentially, right? So, censorship in general is a terrible thing. I don’t want anybody to have the ability to silence somebody.” — 00:32:37
Context: Asked how Akash prevents abuse of censorship resistance; he distinguishes censorship from moderation — providers may refuse to serve, but “as long as there’s one provider that’s willing to serve you, you’ll be served” ([00:33:59]).
Decentralized systems build superior UX
Unstoppable Cloud and Building a Decentralized Web with Greg Osuri (The Index Podcast)
“Decentralized systems, when they embrace decentralization, end up building far superior user experiences than a centralized system. For example, Uniswap… It takes 30, 40 steps by the time you can swap an asset [on Coinbase]. Versus you come to Uniswap, you click, click, click, and you swap.” — 00:18:54
Context: Contrarian UX thesis — permissionless state systems allow radically simpler interfaces; he extends it to “similar experiences for something like Cloud, where you can deploy permissionlessly by using your Keplr wallet” at [00:20:20].
Four companies control the cloud — and that is scary
Unstoppable Cloud and Building a Decentralized Web with Greg Osuri (The Index Podcast)
“You actually end up spending a lot more money on the cloud than running a data center. And these cloud companies now have 81% market share. So if you imagine cloud is a fabric of society… Majority of this cloud is actually controlled by four companies. And that very thought is scary.” — 00:05:30
Context: The Akash origin story — enormous idle supply meets a cloud market “about to be a trillion dollar market,” with AWS alone valued over $500B.
Private deplatforming power is intolerable
Unstoppable Cloud and Building a Decentralized Web with Greg Osuri (The Index Podcast)
“The fact that there are platforms that can silence you that are not government-controlled, but private-controlled… considering that these Amazons and Googles and Microsoft can shut you down if they don’t like you… That much power in few is not something that we can sleep with.” — 00:09:24
Context: Describing his second user cohort — anti-deplatforming deployments; he pairs it with the full decentralized stack (Handshake DNS + Akash + Sia Skynet) at [00:10:09].
Akash frees the cloud like the internet was freed from AOL
Akash Network’s (CRYPTO:AKT) ($AKT) interview with Mr. Greg Osuri CEO. (New to The Street TV)
“Permissionless systems are generally known to scale at a global scale — internet being a big example. When internet was broken from the jails of AOL, we really saw the penetration that it has today, and similarly Akash is doing that to cloud computing.” — 00:07:20
Context: After noting ~a billion people lack credit cards to access hyperscaler clouds, including a kid in Africa whose first cloud experience was Akash.
Every layer of the cloud stack is decentralizing
Akash Network’s (CRYPTO:AKT) ($AKT) interview with Mr. Greg Osuri CEO. (New to The Street TV)
“Every stack of the cloud today is getting decentralized, all the way from bandwidth allocation — you have networks like Sentinel or Helium or Orchid… discovery layers such as Handshake or ENS domains that are decentralizing DNS… compute layer, Akash is the player there… storage layer, we have Filecoin and Skynet and Arweave… every element of the stack is decentralizing, and Akash, being the compute layer, is the glue that brings all these decentralized networks in a form that’s easily available to the developer.” — 00:12:26
Context: His web3 infrastructure thesis: web3 fixes web1’s inefficiency and removes web2’s rent-seeking middlemen.
Users pay an invisible Amazon tax that web3 will lower
Akash Network’s (CRYPTO:AKT) ($AKT) interview with Mr. Greg Osuri CEO. (New to The Street TV)
“Everyday users are actually paying invisible Amazon tax, if you know it or not, and that will be lowered without even knowing what happened. So web3 is an infrastructure layer that’s optimizing and building a more equitable cloud.” — 00:13:52
Context: Predicting web3 infrastructure savings will invisibly pass through to consumers of services like Netflix.
What Bitcoin did to money, Akash is doing to cloud computing
Akash Network’s (CRYPTO:AKT) ($AKT) interview with Mr. Greg Osuri CEO. (New to The Street TV)
“Decentralization generally means a more equitable — it is the great equalizer… if you look at what’s happening with Bitcoin or Ethereum… similarly, what Bitcoin did to money, I think Akash is doing that to cloud computing.” — 00:10:12
Context: His recurring one-line thesis, offered while explaining decentralization as repurposing existing infrastructure vs. expansion.
A paradigm shift from centralized to decentralized architectures
How do data scientist get into blockchain? Greg Osuri - The Data Scientist Show #007 (The Data Scientist Show)
“You have self-driving vehicles — they’ll start using Akash. You have all these amazing things to look forward for. Overall I think we are in a big paradigm shift from centralized architectures to decentralized architectures from a technological landscape, and I’m just super excited to be contributing and leading these efforts.” — 01:17:37
Context: Closing remarks; his recurring macro thesis that decentralized architectures displace centralized ones, with autonomous vehicles as future Akash users.
Akash today is like AWS in 2008 — adoption takes time
How do data scientist get into blockchain? Greg Osuri - The Data Scientist Show #007 (The Data Scientist Show)
“Using Amazon back then was like no way in hell — if you use Amazon you get fired. Now if you do not use Amazon you get fired, I suppose. You’re seeing similar patterns with Akash. Not too many people know about Akash, but it’s one of those things that takes time for technologies to really show their power.” — 00:22:50
Context: Recalling that Kaiser Permanente banned S3 when he built their first internal cloud in 2008; frames Akash as following the same skepticism-to-default adoption arc as AWS.
Censorship resistance: Parler would run fine on Akash
Blockchain & Cloud Computing - Akash Network W/ Greg Osuri (Arcane Bear)
“Akash Network is censorship resistant… no one can take down the workload as long as there’s a provider willing to serve the workload… Parler would run very efficiently on Akash, because as long as it’s half the country that’s agreeing with them.” — 00:25:33
Context: On the Parler/AWS deplatforming; he adds that permissionless communities self-moderate genuinely abhorrent content and providers can see what they host.
Deplatforming is weaponized — Akash as disaster recovery
Blockchain & Cloud Computing - Akash Network W/ Greg Osuri (Arcane Bear)
“Deplatforming is being weaponized by state actors, against corporate transfers, against individuals that disagree with them, and we need a solution… you can run your primary site on Amazon… in case you get deplatformed you can switch over to Akash in an instant, instantly, without losing any of your customers.” — 00:31:59
Context: Prompted by Anthony Pompliano’s YouTube takedown the day before; disaster-recovery/failover pitched as a real adoption vector.
Four companies control 80% of a market headed to $1 trillion
Blockchain & Cloud Computing - Akash Network W/ Greg Osuri (Arcane Bear)
“Four companies essentially control 80 percent of the marketplace, and in the process they became rent seekers… an industry today is about 390 billion dollars and which is projected to be a trillion dollars very soon — majority of that is controlled by four companies.” — 00:07:06
Context: His web 2.0 critique: over-capitalization made clouds “the center fabric of our society” run by rent-seeking oligopolists (“MAGA”: Microsoft, Alibaba, Google, Amazon).
80% of cloud controlled by four companies
Akash Network CEO on competing with Amazon AWS, decentralized cloud computing, and free speech (Yahoo Finance)
“Internet was created as a decentralized network to fight against centralization… but over time it got increasingly centralized, and now the landscape looks like 80 percent or so of the cloud computing, which is a backbone for the internet, is controlled by four companies — Amazon being the biggest one.” — 00:01:29
Context: His recurring cloud-centralization thesis, answering how sites get de-platformed.
Early growth: 500 apps, 30k deployments, doubling monthly
Akash Network CEO on competing with Amazon AWS, decentralized cloud computing, and free speech (Yahoo Finance)
“We launched the platform about six months ago and so far we have about 500 applications live… over 30,000 deployments that happened over the last six months… until last month we were actually doubling in terms of workloads.” — 00:03:36
Context: Quantified adoption snapshot ~6 months after the Akash marketplace launch.
Open source makes Akash as secure as or more secure than AWS
Akash Network CEO on competing with Amazon AWS, decentralized cloud computing, and free speech (Yahoo Finance)
“It’s probably more secure than your traditional Amazon because Akash being open source, all our source code is actually open for a public audit, so it offers similar levels if not better levels of security guarantees Amazon’s or the big cloud offers.” — 00:03:36
Context: Rebutting the host’s security concern about choosing Akash over AWS.
Provider self-moderation instead of central takedowns
Akash Network CEO on competing with Amazon AWS, decentralized cloud computing, and free speech (Yahoo Finance)
“The way Akash network operates is self-moderation. That means providers on the Akash network choose who they want to serve… as long as there’s a provider that’s willing to serve Parler, Parler can run on Akash. But if there are no providers… that website won’t be served on Akash platform.” — 00:05:45
Context: His standard answer to how a censorship-resistant network handles harmful content.
80% of cloud controlled by four companies
Akash Network CEO, Greg Osuri on Yahoo Finance (Akash Network)
“Internet was created as a decentralized network to fight against centralization… but over time it got increasingly centralized, and now the landscape looks like 80 or so of the cloud computing, which is a backbone for the internet, is controlled by four companies — Amazon being the biggest one.” — 00:02:10
Context: Answering how sites get de-platformed; his recurring centralization thesis.
Early growth: 500 apps, 30k deployments, doubling monthly
Akash Network CEO, Greg Osuri on Yahoo Finance (Akash Network)
“We launched the platform about six months ago and so far we have about 500 applications live… over 30,000 deployments that happened over the last six months… until last month we were actually doubling in terms of workloads, applications coming online to Akash network.” — 00:04:21
Context: Quantified adoption snapshot ~6 months after mainnet marketplace launch (mid-2021 baseline).
Open source makes Akash as secure as or more secure than AWS
Akash Network CEO, Greg Osuri on Yahoo Finance (Akash Network)
“It’s probably more secure than your traditional Amazon because Akash being open source, all our source code is actually open for a public audit, so it offers similar levels if not better levels of security guarantees Amazon’s or the big cloud offers.” — 00:04:21
Context: Rebutting host’s security concern about using Akash over AWS.
Provider self-moderation instead of central takedowns
Akash Network CEO, Greg Osuri on Yahoo Finance (Akash Network)
“The way Akash network operates is self-moderation. That means providers on the Akash network choose who they want to serve… as long as there’s a provider that’s willing to serve Parler, Parler can run on Akash. But if there are no providers… that website won’t be served on Akash.” — 00:06:30
Context: His standard answer to “what if something really bad runs on Akash and can’t be taken down.”
Open systems always beat corporate land-grabs (Microsoft/AOL analogy)
Priv8 Virtual Privacy Summit 2021: Featuring Glenn Greenwald, Dr. Steven Waterhouse, and more! (Orchid Labs)
“This is not the first time a centralized company tried to put claim to an open system. Microsoft in the 90s tried to put claim to internet, AOL tried to put claim by actually developing tools for the internet, but ultimately an open system won. So the composability of open system will ultimately be the winner.” — 04:56:12
Context: On Meta/Microsoft claiming the metaverse; his recurring open-systems-win thesis. Quote begins mid-block after the moderator (“I’m actually very optimistic…”); undiarized captions, but the argument and phrasing match Greg’s earlier remarks on the panel ([04:54:48]: “I think Mark introduced the metaverse — best thing that happened to metaverse in a weird way”).
The cloud is controlled by four players — few controlling the many
Priv8 Virtual Privacy Summit 2021: Featuring Glenn Greenwald, Dr. Steven Waterhouse, and more! (Orchid Labs)
“Today most the cloud computing market is really controlled by four players… the effects of which go beyond just cost… it really comes down to… what happens when few really control the many.” — 04:15:31
Context: Panel self-introduction; he says he built Akash to “democratize cloud computing” and transfer power from entrenched infrastructure players to something “more democratized and owned by the user” ([04:14:45]).
Four players control the cloud — what happens when few control the many
Priv8 Virtual Summit: Greg Osuri, Tor Bair, Ari Paul's Take on the Decentralized Future (Orchid Labs)
“Today most of the cloud computing market is really controlled by four players… the effects of which go beyond just cost. It really comes down to the whole topic of this conversation: what happens when few really control the many.” — 00:02:11
Context: His self-introduction — Akash as transferring power from “oligopolized infrastructure players” to users; quote begins in the [00:01:29] block.
Open systems will beat centralized claims on the metaverse
Priv8 Virtual Summit: Greg Osuri, Tor Bair, Ari Paul's Take on the Decentralized Future (Orchid Labs)
“I’m actually optimistic. It’s not the first time a centralized company tried to put claim to an open system — Microsoft in the 90s tried to put claim to the internet, AOL tried to put claim by actually developing tools for the internet, but ultimately an open system won. So the composability of an open system will ultimately be the winner.” — 00:43:19
Context: Responding to worries about Meta/Microsoft capturing the metaverse; a 2021 instance of his recurring open-beats-closed prediction.
Enterprises will adopt decentralized cloud in five to six years
DeFi Decoded - Greg Osuri, CEO of Akash on why DeFi needs a Decentralized Internet to succeed (Ninepoint Partners)
“So in five to six years’ time, you’re going to see some of these enterprises adopt… we’re seeing champions now in different companies, we’re seeing enterprise adoption, but we may not necessarily focus on it.” — 00:35:27
Context: Direct answer to Tapscott’s request for a prediction on whether giants like Walmart or Goldman Sachs will use decentralized cloud; Greg invokes the Innovator’s Dilemma and insists developer-first adoption (like early AWS) must come first.
Over 85% of data-center capacity is unused; any data center can become a cloud provider
DeFi Decoded - Greg Osuri, CEO of Akash on why DeFi needs a Decentralized Internet to succeed (Ninepoint Partners)
“As we’re deploying Kubernetes into different data centers, we notice enormous amounts of capacity in these data centers is not used — so when north of 85% of capacity is not used — and we built the technology to enable any data center to become a cloud provider.” — 00:07:02
Context: Greg’s founding story for Akash: the underutilization insight from deploying Kubernetes at Overclock Labs (2015-2017). He also claims “there are 8.4 million data centers in the world” and Amazon’s edge is only ease of access.
The future is sovereign chains in a multi-chain world
DeFi Decoded - Greg Osuri, CEO of Akash on why DeFi needs a Decentralized Internet to succeed (Ninepoint Partners)
“I believe in a multi-chain future, absolutely, there’s no doubt… like we saw with Web2 too — you build on a shared platform like Firebase, but the time when you have to really scale up, you go sovereign. I think the future is sovereignty.” — 00:22:37
Context: Explaining why Akash built a sovereign Cosmos/IBC chain instead of on Ethereum or Solana: control over scalability and economics (~1/4-cent gas vs. $70 Ethereum deployments).
Web2 concentrates power; Web3 distributes it
DeFi Decoded - Greg Osuri, CEO of Akash on why DeFi needs a Decentralized Internet to succeed (Ninepoint Partners)
“Web3 is taking a much more distributed, much more diverse attitude than Web2, because Web2 is all about concentration of power; Web3 is about distribution of power. And we’re seeing that very clearly with dWeb, and I’m really excited for that future.” — 00:28:19
Context: Summing up his tour of the composable dWeb stack (Akash compute + Filecoin/Sia/Arweave storage + Handshake DNS + Livepeer), with IBC eventually letting any token pay for any service.
Akash should become invisible infrastructure
Akash Office Hours : End of Year Product Update (Akash Network)
“[We want to] get to that framework-level integration so it becomes part of the workflow — so that Akash is just invisible in the background. You don’t even know you’re using Akash, but you’re using Akash. And there’s the beauty of permissionless systems: there’s no signup [or other] nonsense that you need to use.” — 00:40:46
Context: The usability roadmap: fix the CLI first, then one-click deploys from frameworks like Starport, Ruby on Rails, and Node.js.
Beating Amazon requires 300 services — via a decentralized marketplace by end of 2022
Akash Office Hours : End of Year Product Update (Akash Network)
“Two things need to happen for Akash to be over Amazon. First… Amazon has 300 backend services that form this phenomenal service fabric… Akash only has one service, which is container hosting, so we need to come to 300 services in order to have parity with Amazon. And we’re not going to do that as a single organization… we’re going to enable a services marketplace by end of 2022.” — 00:27:49
Context: Answering the recurring “when Akash over Amazon” question; the second requirement is usability designed for modern developers as “Amazon is increasingly getting distant away from a developer.” An early statement of the services-marketplace vision he still pitched in 2025.